Date: 15 JUL 1980 2158-EDT From: ALAN at MIT-MC (Alan Bawden) To: CMB at MIT-ML CC: CUBE-HACKERS at MIT-MC The last two transforms you describe sound similar to the two I learned. Mine are also rather repititous. Perhaps it is the case that the two configurations are very distant using the obvious metric: smallest number of twists from one to the other. I wonder if anyone knows very much about the nature of that metric anyway? I understand that it is known that no two points are more than 94 (or is it 93?) twists apart (disregarding the extended problem). I don't know if that number is actually attained, or if it is only the currently known upper bound based on the best algorithm. (Or perhaps there isn't an algorithm that good yet, just a proof of the fact.) I believe that you and ACW and I once did the math to show that whatever that longest distance is, it has to be greater than something around 30, and for the extended cube problem it must be even bigger than that, so since I can do the transformations you speek of in about 28 (I think) moves, those must not be most distant points.