From: "Jerry Bryan" Subject: Question > It is well known that if we define G= for the twelve quarter turns > q in Q, we can also generate G as G=, leaving out B and B'. > Leaving out any other quarter turn would do as well, but I > am going to stick to leaving out B for illustrative purposes. > > However, when one of the quarter turns is left out, the length of most > positions will change. In particular, we will no longer have |B|=1. > My reading of the archives indicates that we do not know what the > length of B would be in this situation, nor what a minimal process > for B would be. This problem was solved by David Benson in Oct. 1979, who was one of the earliest cube pioneers. Dr. Singmaster reports on this in his 2nd Addendum of "Notes". Let A = R1 L3 F2 B2 R1 L3, then AUA = D1 AUA = R1 L3 F2 B2 R1 L3 U1 R1 L3 F2 B2 R1 L3 (17 q, 13 q+h) Perhaps Jerry will find something shorter. -> Mark <-